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Rush Holt Health Care Town Hall - Middletown

by: Rosi Efthim

Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 06:08:35 PM EDT



UPDATE #1: Dan Preston has photos from the event in a link in Comments - here.
UPDATE #2: Winston Smith had an altogether different view of this event than I did. His diary is here.

Maybe it was the configuration of the room, shallow and wide and not narrow and deep, making no allowance for shouters to use distance from the stage to intimidate like at Frank Pallone's Red Bank Town Hall. Maybe it was the Congressional District, NJ-12 not NJ-6. And this congressman doesn't bear direct responsibility for the public option bill, the way Pallone does, with HR 3200 out of his Health Subcommittee, of House Energy & Commerce.

But the experience of sitting in on Rush Holt's event, while contentious, was different. It lacked the manic surges, and lines of people demanding serial sessions. Questions were collected and read aloud by the congressman. That tended to lead to briefer, substantive audience feedback, rather than the set-up Pallone staggered under in Red Bank, grappling with questions from microphones louder than his own.

I saw Holt slip into a reactive posture only once, when he called some shouters "noisemakers." Minor. Pallone, who I saw through nearly 9 hours on his feet over 2 nights, kept his cool completely. The tamer audience allowed for a better information flow. From both sides. And Holt got the chance to be eloquent.

Asked if public option meant rationed care:

As a matter of fact, health care is rationed right now. Some people don't get it! And I prefer rational health care, which this would be, over rationed.

Why is this legislation moving so fast?

The situation as it is now is not sustainable. And it's not morally or ethically acceptable. Further, the economy will not recover as long as we're saddled with these escalating health care costs. In fact, this should have been done before this time.

To a similar question, about timing:

We've been working toward some of the elements of this for many years. It goes back to Roosevelt - Teddy Roosevelt, as well as FDR.

After the Town Hall, Holt met privately with three reporters. One of us asked where all this vitriol and opposition was coming from:

Well, I can certainly point you toward some websites that are the source of misinformation and upset. But where the anxiety of people is coming from is tougher to say. We are living through tough economic times. A lot of people are on edge. And, in fact, a lot of people are living on the edge.

We're going to try to cover as many of the Congressional Town Halls as we can. Shoot us an email - contact@bluejersey.com - if you know one's coming. If you go, we hope you'll write about it here. Holt's was last Wednesday. But I needed recovery time after the stress of two last week. Two more coming from Holt, both on Saturday, Sept. 12: 9:00am in Somerset & 2:30pm in Tinton Falls.  

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crowd outside the room was raucous (0.00 / 0)
Rosi - I attended but didn't get in.

I think your post tends to downplay the yahoo nature of the crowd I spoke with and photographed while on line.

You also ignore the event that was held outside the room by Mr. Halfacre, republican challenger. I think there was a larger crowd outside than inside (but I left before Halfacre spoke).

Maybe the in the room dynamics were better than Pallone adn kept the yahoos at bay, but the overall event planning was poor, for the reasons I posted previously.

We are not well served by only the good news and rosy analysis -  criticism is helpful - it can improve perfrormance and get a better asessment of the opponents.

On balance, this was a real negative for Holt and the health care reform debate.



Maybe, Winston - (0.00 / 0)
I can't be both inside and outside at the same time, so it's quite possible the outside crowd you witnessed was more important than I gave it credit for.

Here's why I didn't mention the Halfacre rally outside. First, I don't think his campaign has much drive of its own. Tell me I'm wrong if you know different. The outside event - billed as the Open to All Town Hall - as though the inside one wasn't - struck me as simple opportunism. It also may have had the effect of drawing off people who might have otherwise disrupted the actual event, as anti-reformers do at other congressional events.


It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


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Photos from Middletown (0.00 / 0)
My group couldn't get into the hall ... hundreds more showed up than could squeeze in. So we headed to the other side of the building for the outdoor Halfacre anti-reform rally. Most of the crowd spouted and responded reliably to the standard anti-reform myths.

Here are some photos:
http://www.photobucket.com/pri...
Don't be mislead by the preponderance of pro-reformers shown in the pix ... the anti-reformers outnumbered us heavily.

All I can say is ... we need to show up in massive numbers to future town halls, including the ones on September 12!


re event planning (0.00 / 0)
Rosi - even if the event was scheduled BEFORE the Town Hell ambush, there was PLENTY of time to adapt tactics, and to even shift the location to a larger venue.

There was PLENTY of time to develop message and do pre-emptive work to prepare for what Holt's sstaff had to know what was coming.

There was PLENTY of tie to work on outreeach, organizing adn turnout.

None of this seemed to have been done - even the bottled water was warm.

I saw no buses - so I would guess the large majority of wingers were local, lots in District.

Holt ignores this threat at his peril - Halacre will  try to launch into Holt's seat on this resentment.

And the private meeting response you summarize above is - at best - poor. We have to sharpen the pro-reform message and start calling out the liars and manipulators by name.

 


Time to mobilize for Sept 14 (0.00 / 0)
I think we need to do serious mobilizing for September 14, to not only pack the hall but surround the entire venue with throngs of supporters. I hated being outnumbered by the wingers in Middletown, knowing that the vast majority who support real reform were woefully under-represented.  

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Dan - Do you mean 9/12? (0.00 / 0)
The next wave of Holt events? Or something else?

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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I'm curious (0.00 / 0)
How would you have run the Town Hell?

I read your diary and your above comment.  I have a few thoughts, but they are sketchy.

I'm not at all sure how to deal with wingnuts.  You mention that some had valid concerns, albeit not necessarily about healthcare.  Yet they never listen, they only shout.

You were outside the meeting place, which seemed to have been far more raucous than  inside.  You suggested working the lines.  How is it possible for the good guys to reason with the teabaggers who are being whipped up by Halfacre?  Or do you think he would have been less successful if there was a progressive presence?  How would that have happened?

You also mentioned having an organized reponse.  I don't know if you meant verbal /issue oriented or a physical presence or both.

You said the venue was too small and in the wrong town.  Maybe the room was too small.  But if it were larger, wouldn't that mean Halfacre and the hecklers would be inside?  I disagree with you about the town.  You would think liberals could carpool over to the meeting.  I wonder how many in the district knew about it and how important it was to be there.

Which brings me to the media.  Obviously they gravitate to the flashier outbursts.  I think we need some political theater ourselves. (Not their kind, though.)

Here's one of my wackier ideas.  These folks march around with Obama-as-Hitler graphics.  Obviously they have no notion  of history.  Perhaps a group should march in with Hitler type moustaches and announce that they are here to save the teabaggers.  After all, Hitler wanted to exterminate everyone who was not of the Aryan race.  I assume these people consider themselves "Aryan" and superieor to everyone else, especially immigrants.  (OK, its a bad idea.)

Sorry for such a long rant, Rosi.  I haven't commented in a while.
:-)


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Smarty (0.00 / 0)
I think you meant your question for Winston, yes?

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
I think I put it under Winston's comment.

My reference to you was as editor and your suggestion that comments be kept shorter and longer ones be made into diaries.

Sorry for any confusion.  I guess the moustache thingy went to my brain.


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No worries (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the clarification. I thought so but sometimes people hit Reply when they mean to hit Post a Comment, and well, you know, the entirety of western civilization hits a wall.

:-)

It's not a particularly snappy signature, but here's what I think we need in the next NJ Democratic State Chair.  


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